"I will be positioned in this office by 2027," Sir Keir Starmer stated, noting that if our conversation was successful, he might invite us into his official residence for a follow-up talk next year.
For a PM, there's never truly time off for leaders. Just an hour before our chat started, Starmer had been speaking with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and trying to decipher exactly what had happened in Venezuela, where his big friend, US President Donald Trump, had recently targeted and seized its leader, Nicolás Maduro.
When the discussion, which was considerably lengthier than typical, had concluded, Maduro had been charged in New York.
With the year starts, Starmer seems to have had something of a refresh. Perhaps even just a bit of a rest with the family at Chequers, the prime minister's official country residence.
That certainly seemed to have left him in improved morale than at the sluggish tail end of 2025, a terrible year politically for him.
But are he and his allies being unrealistic if they believe his fortunes are poised to turn around?
The harsh truth for the leader is that many of his fellow MPs believe he's underperforming at his job. Some of them would rather gamble and get him out in 2026.
But Starmer was rejecting the idea during our conversation on Saturday morning.
Multiple times he stated he'd be "evaluated at the poll", arguing no one would strip his five-year mandate from him – even if the best chance of stopping Nigel Farage and Reform UK getting to No 10 might be for Labour to switch leader.
"This is the battle of our generation and I plan to guide the party," he affirmed.
The challenge for the prime minister is that he will be judged well ahead of then – in a huge set of elections in May across the UK. He tried to protest, maybe excessively, that they are concerning who runs local authorities, and who runs the governments in Holyrood or Cardiff – and unrelated to Westminster.
Accurate – to some extent. But although he may not want to acknowledge it, No 10 will be judged by those elections too.
This did not stop Sir Keir implying that there were no scenario under which he would walk away, even if a his MPs challenged him for the job, should those elections be very poor for Labour.
He attempted to account for his low poll ratings by saying the electorate was understandably impatient for things to change. He sought to persuade me, and the public, that 2026 would be a change.
The economy would strengthen notwithstanding rising unemployment, he said, when strategies the government enacted during their initial choppy year began to show results.
His core point is that soon the country will "turn the corner".
The prime minister may have spoken with greater vigour than I've seen from him for a some time – less tense, maybe, with more time to talk.
However, in spite of encountering pressure from within his own party for a more decisive strategy, with greater political clarity, more urgency, more speed and more urgency, his explanations were familiar ones.
When he finds himself in considerable political difficulty, is a different approach required a different script?
No government, and especially not one that has been struggling in the polls for an extended period, has everything its own way.
The Prime Minister's problems are not only because governing is difficult, but because he and his colleagues have faltered, even in the recent past.
The prime minister admitted that he was sorry for saying he was "delighted" to welcome back the Egyptian-British activist Alaa Abd El Fattah to the UK after an backlash when past remarks he'd made in the past – such as calls for Zionists and police to be killed – resurfaced.
Starmer attributed it to "the system" for failing to identify what the activist had said before – a fancier way of saying not my fault.
And he is courting obvious political perils as the year unfolds. His alliance with the US president entails a new risk after Trump's intervention on Venezuela.
Based on years of interviewing Sir Keir Starmer, a former human rights lawyer who was against the war in Iraq, over a long period, the notion he would be at ease with this kind of intervention seems unlikely.
He asserted he was a "career-long champion of international law" but the public "simply lack the full picture at the moment".
Opponents called for him to criticise the action before the interview. And the government is expected to face increased demands to give an clear view in Parliament in the coming days.
And there has always been growing tension in the Labour ranks to revisit some of the results of Brexit.
Sir Keir rejects he's doing that, but his new more concrete pledge to move closer with the EU's single market – the giant economic European trading zone – will probably provoke accusations that he is reneging on his vow never to try to overturn the decisions that followed Brexit.
A decision to integrate into more of the single market will please many on his backbenches, but it is easy fodder for Reform and the Conservatives to
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